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Post by Beagle on Aug 4, 2006 6:12:17 GMT -5
Actually, no, we hadn't planned on letting players choose to be Ninja from other areas, but we definitely have some other regions come into the story, maybe it would be good to open that up as a choice to players at some point. Thanks for the idea!
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Post by murmkuma on Aug 17, 2006 10:49:33 GMT -5
on the idea of ninja from other regions, if the game is progressive, and starts in a certain era, would it not make sense that as the history of the game unfolds and (hopefully) expands that naturally new areas become available to the point (again hopefully) that if we get to modern times urban ninja appear in america and other parts of the world...
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Post by Tchalvak on Aug 17, 2006 15:54:14 GMT -5
"Urban Ninja" hah.
I believe those are just called "gang members with guns".
I mean really, if you're a ninja, -you get the job done-. And there isn't much that can compete with a gun when the job is killing someone.
This is why everyone (nw1 and 2 included) goes with a world stuck in the past. 'cause combat was more interesting back then, taking things like tactics and skill. Now all ya gotta do is pull a trigger.
The reason you don't see ninja anymore (not that you saw them before) is because they've changed into something else. Mercenaries, perhaps, are the modern-day equivalent. Or terrorists. Yep, terrorists are pretty much the equivalent.
Which begs the question, did people "back in the day" have the same view of ninja as most of us have of "terrorists" now?
Consider this thread hijacked!
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Post by murmkuma on Aug 19, 2006 12:52:00 GMT -5
Not terrorists! Ninja were Ninja. A true Ninja listens to his own code of honour, and I disagree completely with what you say they have turned into. Yes perhaps a select few are mercinaries or terrorists. But More likely we call them CIA, FBI, or NAVY SEALS. One who kills for money is a hitman, not a ninja. Sorry but there is a whole morale issue here for me.
Any ways, I'm fine with the story being stuck in the past for the same reasons you said, yes combat is mostly done with guns these days, and that is sad.
and at the expense of sounding rude, I have met a few 'urban ninja' in my day, and consider myself to be one- Not ONE of these people I met would ever use a gun over their own hands, unless it was the final option.
To expand on this a lil, One of my PossE brothers had his eye taken out by a pellet gun.....A FUCKIN PELLET GUN! the damn thing is still in his head, 1/8 inch to either side an he'd be dead right now. PELLET GUN!
after some meditation it occurs to me that the government agencies I stated above could be classified by some as terrorists, and back in the day, ninja were feared as terrorists, they did the dirty work in the night.
Sorry again but this one hit real close to home for me.
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Post by kenpachi on Aug 19, 2006 19:07:09 GMT -5
I know that this is will hurt you murm but if you look at it from one angle ninja could be called terrorists. They attack and preform assassination for the profit and safety of their clan. That sounds like a terror cell. However I am willing to admit that terrorism is a tool. Who would in the US would complain if terrorist means were used to stop attacks on us? If your looking for proof read/see V for Vendetta.
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Post by Tchalvak on Aug 21, 2006 12:08:16 GMT -5
Y'all have to remember that a "terrorist" is often the same thing as a "freedom fighter", it only depends upon the side of the violence that you're looking at them from. (outside, or right inside)
So, regardless of whether they were "freedom fighters/terrorists" or not, it's not the same thing as saying that they were wrong/bad/evil/criminal, any more than you'd call the boston tea party wrong. It speaks of their methods, not their politics. So much of the weapons that we like to think of as "ninja weapons" had origins as peasant farming tools, that it makes it seem likely that ninja themselves were somehow related to a lower class resistance, and certainly they were circumventing the martial law of the time that forbid non-samurai from using the weapons of the samurai caste.
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Post by murmkuma on Aug 21, 2006 20:44:59 GMT -5
uhm kenpachi i guess you didnt see that part where i said ninja were feared as terrorists. and yes that is where ninja originated from, they were rebelling against the govenrmaent at the time.
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Post by James on Sept 30, 2006 10:44:41 GMT -5
OK now back to the NW2 QUESTIONS so to stop clan spawning maybe you have to go through a ritual to create a clan, like go through a maze full of creatures,or even get approved by a ninja load who governs all ninjas and clans in his area,or u guys
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Post by James on Sept 30, 2006 10:49:50 GMT -5
but only can get in the maze at a certain level or be approved by u at a certain level and the lords can be the supervisors "beagle" ;D
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Post by Beagle on Oct 2, 2006 7:17:08 GMT -5
We will be implementing a clan approval process that will require a minimum number of characters to form, probably somewhere around 10 people would be required to form a clan.
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Post by Legend on Nov 19, 2006 10:27:07 GMT -5
The character's would keep their names. But everything else could be re-chosen. So yes, every 2 months you can try new archetypes. does that mean our inventory goes *poof* (i know that this is way late and probly been asked but i cant be bothered reading for hours on end)
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Post by rihochan on Nov 19, 2006 16:42:29 GMT -5
I've been researching, and the basic history of the ninja was that individual lords would gather and train people to be spies and assassins. As time went on, their skills grew more and more advanced and entire generations were born into that tradition. Then the clan that the ninja families belonged to were wiped, lost influence, or simply lost the ability to support their servants. Thus, the ninja were forced to form clans of their own and began contracting out as mercenaries to lords. Some lords continued to retain ninja families as servants, but towards the end of the Sengoku Jidai it was more economical to hire ninja from clans in the territory they held.
For a ninja, loyalty and efficiency were the primary requirements. If a bomb would do the job, they used a bomb. If poisoning a well would do the job, they would poison the well. Honor in absolute obedience, that was the ninja. That is why rogues were hunted down so ruthlessly, even to the point of sacrificing several ninja in the process.
As for the attitude of the Japanese... for the most part ninja were only rumors to the commoners, and to the lords the ninja were one of two things: useful but distasteful tools, or something to be mercilessly wiped out like a poisonous snake. The ninja were romanticized by the foreigners to whom they seemed something surreal like from a book of myths, and by TV people who wanted to make a buck.
Also, saying that you consider yourself a ninja is fundamentally ridiculous as a ninja would never allow themselves to be seen as such. If ninja still existed today, they would not in any way reveal their presence. It's not efficient for a spy and assassin to say they are a spy and assassin.
Oh, and sometimes they served a third function as bodyguards. After all, who makes a better bodyguard against assassins than an assassin? There were even rare instances where a wealthy family's child would have a playmate that was a ninja.
After ninja began forming clans, it became a practice to 'sell' a ninja's services to a particular lord permanently. Though, for a clan ninja, their first loyalty would always be to the clan rather than the lord. It was for this reason that some lords like Nobunaga decided that extermination was the best option for dealing with ninja clans.
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Post by dtmd on Nov 29, 2006 23:43:08 GMT -5
i've also been doing research and ninja actually had other jobs, such as gardeners...
they didn't really carry their weapons on them at all times. They were trained since birth to be able to use any thing around them in order to either escape or murder a foe. They actually used gunpowder the most in their escapes, and used (not shuriken) (not katana's) (not even handclaws) short daggers, not for fighting, but for breaking into places. Ninja weren't primarily assassins, there were primarily theives. They were adapted as assassins and killers once their skills were noticed by their fudal lords....
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